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Putting the chips on new pieces
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Robert@robert
5 Posts
#11 · December 6, 2020, 11:45 pm
Quote from Robert on December 6, 2020, 11:45 pmHi,For what it's worth. I solved the challenge of removing the felt off my pieces by soaking them in a tray filled 1mm with water. Less than 12 hours later I was able to peal off the felt without any trouble. I've replaced the old felt with a new set using using this.Hope this helps.RobertQuote from Graham on December 6, 2020, 3:11 amQuote from spaceboy68 on December 5, 2020, 12:20 amI have a beautiful set of staunton pieces with billiard cloth under the base and I would like (if possible) to put the chips under that felt so it was invisible and the piece looked as perfect as before. wonder if that is possible and if people were doing that and how.
I think the key word here is "that" in "under that felt". I can't see how you will be able to lift the felt off the base of the piece without destroying the felt.
I am currently using an old plastic set where I removed the felt with a knife and used some sandpaper to remove any excess glue. I then attached a chip to the centre of the now bare bottom of the piece. Using the piece and the plastic frame that the chips came in I positioned the piece and frame on a new piece of felt (real felt this time, rather than billiard cloth) and then removed the piece while holding the frame still. This gave me a template to cut out a hole for the chip. This turned out to be harder than I expected and I always ended up tidying up the hole with a pair of scissors. I then cut a rough circle around this, bigger than the base of the piece, and glued it to the piece using Tacky Craft Glue (I was told normal PVA is too runny for felt). Once it dried I was then able to trim neatly around the base of the piece.
I cut the inner hole because my felt was advertised as 1mm thick but was actually slightly thicker than the chip, so it makes a nice support for the piece while the chip doesn't actually touch the board. If it had been the same thickness or slightly less I would then have glued a second layer to make the base of the piece one flat layer of felt.
I was able to be quiet aggressive on cleaning the pieces as these were cheap and old. I have a new set of Ebony/Boxwood pieces on the way and will probably attempt the same thing, but that will require a little bit more care! If the chips are nearer the size of the pieces (I have a set of 25mm chips to use) I might try and get some new billiard cloth and use that to cover the whole base instead of a ring of felt. Maybe a company that repairs pool/snooker tables can provide some offcuts as I need less than an A4 sheet for each colour of piece.
Hi,For what it's worth. I solved the challenge of removing the felt off my pieces by soaking them in a tray filled 1mm with water. Less than 12 hours later I was able to peal off the felt without any trouble. I've replaced the old felt with a new set using using this.
Hope this helps.
Robert
Quote from Graham on December 6, 2020, 3:11 amQuote from spaceboy68 on December 5, 2020, 12:20 amI have a beautiful set of staunton pieces with billiard cloth under the base and I would like (if possible) to put the chips under that felt so it was invisible and the piece looked as perfect as before. wonder if that is possible and if people were doing that and how.
I think the key word here is "that" in "under that felt". I can't see how you will be able to lift the felt off the base of the piece without destroying the felt.
I am currently using an old plastic set where I removed the felt with a knife and used some sandpaper to remove any excess glue. I then attached a chip to the centre of the now bare bottom of the piece. Using the piece and the plastic frame that the chips came in I positioned the piece and frame on a new piece of felt (real felt this time, rather than billiard cloth) and then removed the piece while holding the frame still. This gave me a template to cut out a hole for the chip. This turned out to be harder than I expected and I always ended up tidying up the hole with a pair of scissors. I then cut a rough circle around this, bigger than the base of the piece, and glued it to the piece using Tacky Craft Glue (I was told normal PVA is too runny for felt). Once it dried I was then able to trim neatly around the base of the piece.
I cut the inner hole because my felt was advertised as 1mm thick but was actually slightly thicker than the chip, so it makes a nice support for the piece while the chip doesn't actually touch the board. If it had been the same thickness or slightly less I would then have glued a second layer to make the base of the piece one flat layer of felt.
I was able to be quiet aggressive on cleaning the pieces as these were cheap and old. I have a new set of Ebony/Boxwood pieces on the way and will probably attempt the same thing, but that will require a little bit more care! If the chips are nearer the size of the pieces (I have a set of 25mm chips to use) I might try and get some new billiard cloth and use that to cover the whole base instead of a ring of felt. Maybe a company that repairs pool/snooker tables can provide some offcuts as I need less than an A4 sheet for each colour of piece.
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Robert@robert
5 Posts
#12 · December 6, 2020, 11:54 pm
Quote from Robert on December 6, 2020, 11:54 pmHi Pietro, continuing this thread.I can confirm that 20 mm fits on the larger pieces, i.e. King, Queen, Knight, Bishop, perfectly. They, however, stick out underneath the pawns by a couple of millimeters which kinda sucks.In regards to possible reflection issues with the pieces, I tried a little experiment placing the metal pieces on the board at the same time with my regular wooden pieces with chips. As far as I could tell everything works fine, the software functioned normally without mistakes or errors on the software.
Quote from Pietro on December 6, 2020, 7:49 pmQuote from Robert on December 5, 2020, 4:56 pmHello Pietro,
I too have recently purchased a set of chess pieces, in addition to my set of chess pieces, however these ones are not only for the smaller chess board but they are made of metal too. The metal is non-ferrous
Here's the link for the new chess pieces. So my question is this, given that the pawns measure about 17mm in diameter and the larger pieces are 20mm what size of discs can you supply? Assuming you have 15mm should I use this size the pawns and 20mm sized discs for the larger pieces or should I use the 15mm size for all of them?
See the attached for more images to give you context.
regards
Robert
Hello Robert
Very nice set ! I know italfama, they are not very far from us their sets are very famous. Ok i have question have you checked with the standard 20mm chips if they work ok? The kit looks quite small so probably there is not much metal. You just need to check with one piece as maybe fully metal piece can affect a bit. Anyhow we have some naked coils 15mm but those need to be embedded in the base, so i reckon it's not an option. The smallest we could go with encapsulated plastic is 18mm so i reckon it's about fine and antenna should not be much smaller than the current 20mm. Only thing we do not have and it's custom one if you need we can make (so it will take some weeks to make).
PM me eventually, also if there is some other requests for that size 18mm from other Certabo friends let us know as we normally need to make in order of 1000+ so good if we get some other requests for those.
All the best
Pietro
Hi Pietro, continuing this thread.I can confirm that 20 mm fits on the larger pieces, i.e. King, Queen, Knight, Bishop, perfectly. They, however, stick out underneath the pawns by a couple of millimeters which kinda sucks.In regards to possible reflection issues with the pieces, I tried a little experiment placing the metal pieces on the board at the same time with my regular wooden pieces with chips. As far as I could tell everything works fine, the software functioned normally without mistakes or errors on the software.
Quote from Pietro on December 6, 2020, 7:49 pmQuote from Robert on December 5, 2020, 4:56 pmHello Pietro,
I too have recently purchased a set of chess pieces, in addition to my set of chess pieces, however these ones are not only for the smaller chess board but they are made of metal too. The metal is non-ferrous
Here's the link for the new chess pieces. So my question is this, given that the pawns measure about 17mm in diameter and the larger pieces are 20mm what size of discs can you supply? Assuming you have 15mm should I use this size the pawns and 20mm sized discs for the larger pieces or should I use the 15mm size for all of them?
See the attached for more images to give you context.
regards
Robert
Hello Robert
Very nice set ! I know italfama, they are not very far from us their sets are very famous. Ok i have question have you checked with the standard 20mm chips if they work ok? The kit looks quite small so probably there is not much metal. You just need to check with one piece as maybe fully metal piece can affect a bit. Anyhow we have some naked coils 15mm but those need to be embedded in the base, so i reckon it's not an option. The smallest we could go with encapsulated plastic is 18mm so i reckon it's about fine and antenna should not be much smaller than the current 20mm. Only thing we do not have and it's custom one if you need we can make (so it will take some weeks to make).
PM me eventually, also if there is some other requests for that size 18mm from other Certabo friends let us know as we normally need to make in order of 1000+ so good if we get some other requests for those.
All the best
Pietro
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Graham@graham
27 Posts
#13 · February 5, 2021, 3:05 am
Quote from Graham on February 5, 2021, 3:05 amWell, my new set of pieces arrived just before Christmas and I've been busy converting them for my board. This took a lot longer than I'd expected as halfway through I discovered the varnish on the boxwood pieces was faulty and I ended up re-varnishing them too! I've posted the full story and put lots of pictures on my web page:
https://goneill.co.nz/chess-pieces.php
If that's too much to read here is the summary:
- Don't buy your new pieces where I bought mine! (I won't embarrass Pietro by naming them on his forum).
- Metal weights in pieces can definitely affect the chips but I found a good solution is to use multiple layers of electricians PVC tape as an insulator between the weight and the chip: it's not the mass of the weight that's the problem, it's the metal itself.
- It's worth waxing ebony pieces with something like Liberon Black Bison Paste.
- If you really want to re-varnish your pieces you'll need some 400 and 600 (or 800) grade sandpaper, a wipe-on polyurethane varnish and lots of time.
And here are a couple of photos:
Well, my new set of pieces arrived just before Christmas and I've been busy converting them for my board. This took a lot longer than I'd expected as halfway through I discovered the varnish on the boxwood pieces was faulty and I ended up re-varnishing them too! I've posted the full story and put lots of pictures on my web page:
https://goneill.co.nz/chess-pieces.php
If that's too much to read here is the summary:
- Don't buy your new pieces where I bought mine! (I won't embarrass Pietro by naming them on his forum).
- Metal weights in pieces can definitely affect the chips but I found a good solution is to use multiple layers of electricians PVC tape as an insulator between the weight and the chip: it's not the mass of the weight that's the problem, it's the metal itself.
- It's worth waxing ebony pieces with something like Liberon Black Bison Paste.
- If you really want to re-varnish your pieces you'll need some 400 and 600 (or 800) grade sandpaper, a wipe-on polyurethane varnish and lots of time.
And here are a couple of photos:
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Pietro@pietro-mandurino
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#14 · February 6, 2021, 11:44 am
Quote from Pietro on February 6, 2021, 11:44 amQuote from Graham on February 5, 2021, 3:05 amWell, my new set of pieces arrived just before Christmas and I've been busy converting them for my board. This took a lot longer than I'd expected as halfway through I discovered the varnish on the boxwood pieces was faulty and I ended up re-varnishing them too! I've posted the full story and put lots of pictures on my web page:
https://goneill.co.nz/chess-pieces.php
If that's too much to read here is the summary:
- Don't buy your new pieces where I bought mine! (I won't embarrass Pietro by naming them on his forum).
- Metal weights in pieces can definitely affect the chips but I found a good solution is to use multiple layers of electricians PVC tape as an insulator between the weight and the chip: it's not the mass of the weight that's the problem, it's the metal itself.
- It's worth waxing ebony pieces with something like Liberon Black Bison Paste.
- If you really want to re-varnish your pieces you'll need some 400 and 600 (or 800) grade sandpaper, a wipe-on polyurethane varnish and lots of time.
And here are a couple of photos:
Hello Graham
Thank you very much for posting the instructions it was really great job! and be useful for many other.
Also good tip about electrical tape easy to apply yes sometime the shape or maybe the kind of alloy used may affect more rather then the actual mass. Actually we think more the specific shape till certain point. Small thickness of tape to increase the PVC shell thickness will create a further gap and the interference drops quite fast with even some more physical spacing distance.
Thank you very much for sharing!
Pietro
Quote from Graham on February 5, 2021, 3:05 amWell, my new set of pieces arrived just before Christmas and I've been busy converting them for my board. This took a lot longer than I'd expected as halfway through I discovered the varnish on the boxwood pieces was faulty and I ended up re-varnishing them too! I've posted the full story and put lots of pictures on my web page:
https://goneill.co.nz/chess-pieces.php
If that's too much to read here is the summary:
- Don't buy your new pieces where I bought mine! (I won't embarrass Pietro by naming them on his forum).
- Metal weights in pieces can definitely affect the chips but I found a good solution is to use multiple layers of electricians PVC tape as an insulator between the weight and the chip: it's not the mass of the weight that's the problem, it's the metal itself.
- It's worth waxing ebony pieces with something like Liberon Black Bison Paste.
- If you really want to re-varnish your pieces you'll need some 400 and 600 (or 800) grade sandpaper, a wipe-on polyurethane varnish and lots of time.
And here are a couple of photos:
Hello Graham
Thank you very much for posting the instructions it was really great job! and be useful for many other.
Also good tip about electrical tape easy to apply yes sometime the shape or maybe the kind of alloy used may affect more rather then the actual mass. Actually we think more the specific shape till certain point. Small thickness of tape to increase the PVC shell thickness will create a further gap and the interference drops quite fast with even some more physical spacing distance.
Thank you very much for sharing!
Pietro
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